9/1/91 8:08:33 PM Opening "CHAT91" for Chat Log recording. AFL Gayle : Can you give me a for instance of what they (administration) aren't receptive to? AFA Bard : Sure... they haven't, for example, embraced the concept that teachers need machines for personal AFA Bard : productivity; they're also blind (somewhat) when it comes to integrated learning systems - they LOVE them... I don't. :) AFA Bard : Hiya Murray! AFL Gayle : Hi, Murray! :) TEACHER ms : Hello Gayle and Bard :) AFL Gayle : Why don't you love ILS? AFA Bard : To me, most ILS attempt to replace curriculum, not support it. For the most part, they're also just AFA Bard : high-priced drill and practice factories. Like Writing to Read, for example.... we're finding after AFA Bard : a couple of years that it doesn't have a significant impact on writing after all... at least AFA Bard : not much more than a REAL teacher excited about the writing process could have! AFA Bard : Welcome Negotiator! AFL Gayle : Hi, Bob! :) Negotiator : Evening, all AFL Gayle : Interesting, Bard. Our Assistant Principal last year had a daughter who had AFL Gayle : done Writing to Read from K on. He loved it while she was in K. Then the kids AFL Gayle : finally hit 3rd grade. Their CAT scores were abysmal because they'd been told AFL Gayle : for 3 years spelling doesn't matter. They refused (and his daughter is AG) to AFL Gayle : think learning to spell was important. They had the worst spellers they'd ever AFL Gayle : had. Time to rethink Writing to Read... :) AFA Bard : That pretty much bears out what we've seen here, too. The writing isn't very creative either. Have AFL Gayle : Bob and Murray, it's an open chat tonight. Any topic about education is fair AFA Bard : either of you had dealings with WTR, Murray? Bob? AFL Gayle : game. We even have a free hour to give away to someone lucky. (Hint, Bob. AFL Gayle : You're the only one eligible. :) AFA Bard : (:: stacking deck in Bob's favor ::) Negotiator : Free hour - oh, good TEACHER ms : I find your remarks about WTR interesting :) AFL Gayle : Well, don't be so excited about it! ;) AFA Bard : Interesting, Murray?? You buy the concept, then? AFL Gayle : So has school started yet in Bob and MurrayLand? ;) TEACHER ms : I only saw it used one year in K Negotiator : We start Tuesday. Faculty had to go 4 days last week. AFA Bard : Right, Murray. It's a K-1 program only. TEACHER ms : Like almost anything new they were sold on it :) AFL Gayle : Hi, Marty! Open Chat tonight. :) AFL Marty : hi AFA Bard : Welcome Marty! AFA Bard : Marty.. had any dealings with Writing to Read? Negotiator : I saw on the schedule that on Sept 8 we will be talking about mathematics curriculum. Is there a special guest? AFL Gayle : Marty doesn't lurk around Big Blues, Bard. He's an A2 loyalist all of the way. AFL Gayle : :) AFL Gayle : No, Bob. The members attending are the experts. :) AFL Marty : Sorry... was in message board. AFL Marty : Writing to Read? AFL Gayle : We can talk about mathematics tonight if you'd like, Bob. Open Forum. Y'all AFL Gayle : choose the topics. :) IC Gerry : HI all..:) AFL Gayle : Welcome, Gerry! :) AFA Bard : Gerry! Welcome! IC Gerry : What are we discussing? The fact that my kids go back to school Tuesday? ;) AFL Gayle : So, I assume, Gerry, you will be glad for school to start, since you like to AFL Gayle : let us take care of the kids for awhile? :) AFL Gayle : We're discussing anything you want. If you lived in Bladen County, NC, you'd IC Gerry : nah..just more work for me to do in less hours..I like having my kids home..:) AFL Gayle : have already been free of them for 5 days. :) IC Gerry : BUt when one has good kids, well..;) AFL Gayle : Gee, you used to be gleeful when school started. I guess they're growing up and AFL Gayle : able to help Mom more. :) AFA Bard : Welcome steve! AFC SteveB : [Hey dudes!] :) IC Gerry : {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ {{{{{{{Steve}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} AFL Gayle : Welcome, Steve! :) AFL Gayle : Gee, Steve, none of US got that kind of welcome! ;) IC Gerry : Either that or I am getting more sentimental, Gayle..:) AFC SteveB : Hi Bard, Gayle, Marty, everyone! AFC SteveB : {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ {{{{{{Gerry}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} IC Gerry : Steve is one of my adopted online sons..:) Negotiator : I would like to know of any new initiatives anyone is trying this school year (in spite of budgets) AFL Gayle : Ah, I see. AFL Marty : Hey Steve! AFA Bard : Everyone duck -- it's an "Excessive {{{}}}} error!" LOL! Congrats on your adoption! IC Gerry : and Marty just gets embarrassed when I hug him that much,.LOL!! AFC SteveB : Thanks Bard ;) IC Gerry : I am just trying to figure out how to get my school to particiapte in Scrapbook, and not drop the ball AFC SteveB : Martmiester! :) AFL Marty : Nah... your arms aren't long enough to get around me. :) IC Gerry : They INSIST they want to do it this year! AFL Gayle : New initiatives, Bob? Well, we have a new principal who is hot on lots of new AFL Gayle : ideas. AFL Marty : I have a question about Scrapbook but I don't know what it is yet. AFL Gayle : Well, THAT's an improvement, Gerry! You'd just better be sure they're ready for IC Gerry : Gee, Marty..my arms were long enuf at Kansasfest..;) AFL Gayle : it, or TooT will not be happy. ;) BTW, TooT is offering several versions of IC Gerry : HI Eddie! :) AFC Eddie : Hi, Gang! AFL Gayle : ScrapBook this year, so you might want to start out with the Light Version, AFL Gayle : Gerry. :) AFC SteveB : Eddmiester! IC Gerry : I know, Gayle..I have already been talking to Toot..:) Negotiator : IC Gerry: Tooter has spent much time cleaning up scrapbook records this summer - He is set to go! AFL Gayle : Welcome, Eddie! :) IC Gerry : DEFINITELY light for us..:) AFL Gayle : You don't need to talk to TooT, Gerry. Read the board instead. :) AFL Gayle : Well, Marty, when the question comes to mind, we'll be glad to try and answer it. IC Gerry : The problem is that the only teacher who wants to do it, only teaches Math and Science..so he has a AFL Marty : I honestly don't know how I can participate. IC Gerry : tough time finding class time for it.. AFL Gayle : What is your class setup, Marty? AFL Gayle : I.E. do you see the same kids every day or what? AFL Marty : I see the same kids every day...... AFL Marty : but only for 30 school days. Negotiator : short year AFL Marty : After 30 days are up, they move on and I get another group. IC Gerry : really lite..:) IC Gerry : There must be a way to accommodate groups like that though.. AFL Gayle : Hmmm... what do you teach them, Marty? AFL Marty : What can I say... I just work there. AFL Marty : Word processing to 8th graders; keyboarding to 7th. AFL Gayle : I know. We all have those problems, Marty, unfortunately. AFL Gayle : OK. How about doing one of the "independent" ScrapBooks? Not participate Negotiator : Bard, do you know when the new Claris MacWorks is due out? AFL Gayle : directly in one of the regular sessions. Just let your kids pick a theme to write about and let the 8th graders participate. BillP did that with aChristmas theme. AFL Marty : Independent scrapbooks? AFL Gayle : Would that work, Marty? AFA Bard : The Claris product is in beta and will be released on or before October 1 of this year. AFL Marty : It could. IC Gerry : What a great idea, Gayle! :) AFA Bard : Independent scraps, indeed. I think you'll find lots of other users with similar time problems - last AFA Bard : year Toot and I both did "mini Scraps" with some schools. AFL Marty : My basic problem is that the school's schedule doesn't jibe with that AFL Marty : of the Scrapbook project. Negotiator : Tooter is pretty flexible on times IC Gerry : Couldn't you just do a one shot deal each class, Marty? AFA Bard : Right. Here's a suggestion: Post a message in the Scrapbook area online and fish for a class with a AFA Bard : similar time frame. I'll bet you'll get several takers -- if not - I've got 3 classes that are AFA Bard : requesting a "short term Scrap" project right now! AFL Gayle : Maybe Gerry, you would be able to exchange with Marty? AFL Marty : How do you mean, Gerry? IC Gerry : That is what I was just thinking, Marty... IC Gerry : I couldn't do it every month..but what about a few months..write on a topic and exchange..? AFL Marty : You see, my kids can meet the schedule for the Hello letters... AFL Marty : but I'll be working with a different group when it's time for AFL Marty : the essay exchange. AFL Gayle : Right, Marty. That's why I thought you might want to participate independently AFL Gayle : of the schedule. IC Gerry : BUt what if we just did hello letters or a theme and exchanged those? Run our own mini scraps? AFA Bard : Great, Gerry --- combine the HELLO with a first project! AFL Marty : I suppose I could do that.... AFL Gayle : Sure. You could do that, Gerry. Mix and match as you like. :) AFL Marty : It's too bad that I can't have my kids work the way the rest of the IC Gerry : Or..how about a separate board fro just the monthly people? AFL Marty : world works though. IC Gerry : I know Marty..but we can't either..the language arts teacher will not even LOOK at a compouter..:( AFA Bard : You're certainly free to start a folder for that, Gerry. :) AFL Marty : I won't have the rotation schedule until Tuesday. I'll be able to see then... AFL Marty : what things will work out and what won't. IC Gerry : That way we could pick our months, and find a group to exchange with? There must be other schools AFL Marty : (That's not exactly a problem in my case Gerry :) IC Gerry : with this time problem too.. IC Gerry : I know,Marty... IC Gerry : but yo DO have sort of a time problem.. AFL Marty : just picking :) AFA Bard : Yup. Some great suggestions! I'm passing them on in e-mail to Toot as we type! IC Gerry : and so do we..:) AFL Gayle : Don't do that, Bard. Tell him to read the log. ;) (Tell him we were talking about him, since he wasn't here. ;) AFL Marty : Sometimes my principal is really smart... AFL Marty : and then there's this. GS ERIC : Hello AFA Bard : Welcome Back, Eric! GS ERIC : I didn't know this was planned tonight I was just hopping sround AOL... GS ERIC : What's going on??? IC Gerry : HI Eric! AFL Marty : We're all thinking about the start of school, Eric. AFL Marty : (heavy sigh) IC Gerry : Our principal does not follow thru..:( AFA Bard : Now Marty... LOL! IC Gerry : It is great if "I" do it..:( WE have been waiting 2 years for a modem..:( AFL Gayle : Hi, Eric! IC Gerry : I keep hauling all my stuff up there... GS ERIC : Hello...Thanks for the CC mail help Negotiator : Not following through is a generic trait of principals with too much to do. GS ERIC : oh AFL Marty : Well, my school has no modem either. AFP TimB : Really Marty? AFL Marty : Really GS ERIC : Well did everyone read the results??? DId I post them right I know Bard has IC Gerry : WEll, the eighth grade teAcher isn't real great either..even the kids complain that he talks about AFA Bard : Welcome Tim! IC Gerry : organization, but he is the worst at it..;) AFP TimB : (Hi y'all) IC Gerry : HI Tim! :) AFL Marty : Hey Tim GS ERIC : We only have modems in the office on IBM's IC Gerry : HI Drib! :) Welcome!!! :) Drib : Hi AFL Gayle : Hi, Tim and Drib! :) IC Gerry : I haul my whole system up to school..:) AFL Marty : If the school did get a modem it wouldn't be used. AFL Gayle : Yes, Eric! They were wonderful! Didn't you read Marty's and my responses? :) AFA Bard : Welcome to the AED Chat, Drib. Tonight's OPEN TOPIC - just jump in when you get the chance. Drib : okay AFA Bard : Marty.. can't you convince them to use AOL? AFP TimB : Is telecom a valid part of high school education? AFL Gayle : Marty and others, if you go to Special Interest Groups/The Education Connection IC Gerry : Drib, have you started schol yet? GS ERIC : No I didn't where are they?? Drib : I've gone for 2 weeks already AFL Gayle : School to School and read the messages in the folder called What is ScrapBook AFP TimB : Is AOL telecom? AFL Marty : That isn't the problem, Bard. They won't put in another phone line for it. AFL Gayle : USA?? it tells about the Lite version. IC Gerry : I think so,Tim..it allows use of the computer for expanding educational resources inexpensively..:) AFA Bard : How about some kind of switch on existing lines, Marty? AFL Gayle : 2 weeks? Gosh, I thought WE were bad with ONE week in of students already. ;) Negotiator : Marty, you need demonstrations in inservice to get others to know the value of telecommunications. Drib : Gayle, I goto a private school AFL Marty : I thought about that. It won't work well. AFL Gayle : Marty, I don't have a separate phone line. Mine is just a long trailer from Drib : it starts earlier than most AFL Gayle : the office. AFL Marty : We have 4 lines and about 12 phones scattered throughout the building. IC Gerry : Marty, we have a setup where we can switch off one of the lines and use that. I use it for Academic AFA Bard : Right, Bob (Negotiator) I couldn't agree more! Many teachers can't appreciate the technology until IC Gerry : Bowls. AFP TimB : How many students Marty? AFA Bard : they've seen it! IC Gerry : It didn't cost much either.. AFL Marty : 652 last time I checked AFL Marty : (which was last week) AFP TimB : LOL! Negotiator : We have Scrapbook kids doing the work in the library with a magnabyte projecting their work... Drib : see you all later, got to be on my way AFA Bard : Marty.. any chance you could get a business partner to fund another line?? IC Gerry : Gayle..I did that to begin with,,100 feet of phone wire down the hall...;) Negotiator : on a screen for all to see. Many stop and look AFA Bard : Thanks for dropping by, Drib. Come back soon! GS ERIC : Well Unfortunatley I have to go....I'll check out Gayles and Mart's thing first GS ERIC : though...Bye AFA Bard : Nite, Eric. AFL Marty : I wouldn't know where to start lookig. AFA Bard : Marty... any technology-related businesses close by? IC Gerry : The second time the janitor strung it they decided to add the new switch.:) AFL Marty : And, to be completely honest, I'm not exactly gung-ho on the idea of doing AFL Marty : it all on my own. AFL Gayle : Gee, Gerry, mine goes outside. From one building to another. :) AFL Marty : It's not like I have a lack of things to do. IC Gerry : WE only HAVE one building..:) IC Gerry : Thta is true of all of us Marty..:) GS ERIC : OH...ok thanks :) AFL Marty : So the modem part I won't do. I'll just get my kids' essays and scraps... AFL Marty : and upload them here myself. AFP TimB : (Whatta guy) Negotiator : Better if kids do the uploading AFL Gayle : Well, it's not as though it were part of your curriculum, either, Marty. I have AFL Marty : (and DL others' essays, etc.) AFL Gayle : a question for you, Marty. How did they manage to put keyboarding into the AFA Bard : Sometimes it only takes a letter, Marty. We've discovered that banks, management companies, even AFL Gayle : junior high curriculum? We've run into business teachers who think they are AFA Bard : McDonalds will throw in a few bucks for telecom. AFP TimB : brb IC Gerry : I have done it that way too,Marty...IT is better than nothing..:) AFL Gayle : the only ones who can teach proper typing skills. AFL Marty : Do you REALLY want to know? AFL Gayle : Yes. AFL Marty : Okay :) AFA Bard : Yes, Marty.. TELL all! AFL Gayle : I know it's not necessarily a pleasant answer. ;) AFL Marty : The reason I know is because I do the scheduling for my school. AFA Bard : Knowledge is power. ;) Negotiator : We have gotten corporate support from Union Carbide, IBM, and local businesses AFL Marty : Two years ago my principal decided it would be nice if we used a IC Gerry : :) AFL Marty : teaming approach to scheduling. AFL Gayle : Right, Bard! That's an old National Library Week slogan. :) IC Gerry : Hi Loc!:) AFL Marty : So the whole school got divided up into teams. Each team shares a common AFA Bard : Welcome, Locgrove to AED's OPEN CHAT! AFL Marty : core of academic teachers and a common schedule... Locgrove : thanks IC Gerry : WE did that back when I taught school, Marty..:) AFL Marty : All the kids on a given team have their exploratory arts classes ... AFL Marty : at the same time. AFL Gayle : Welcome, Locgrove! Open Chat tonight. AFL Marty : So now there was the question.... AFL Gayle : Hmmm, that sounds like the middle school concept, sort of, Marty. AFL Marty : Where will we put the 120 kids (an entire team) for that period each day? IC Gerry : We did it in elementary.. AFA Bard : (*** FREE HOUR TO BE GIVEN AWAY IN JUST A FEW SHORT MINUTES!! *** Just say the secret word!! ***) AFL Marty : Yes... Middle School Concept... principal made a big deal of that. AFL Marty : Originally he had planned to have 4 components in the exploratory arts AFL Marty : program. AFL Marty : Made sense. Negotiator : Secret word guesses: telecommunications, Scrapbook, Gayle is Sweet, Bard is great AFL Marty : Rotate through each term... kids have the course for 45 days. AFL Gayle : (I think I can hear "but" in there, Marty.) AFL Marty : But IC Gerry : :) AFL Marty : That would mean each class would get 30 students. AFL Marty : Exploratory arts classes aren't built for 30 students. IC Gerry : Yup..we had 32 AFL Marty : (the physical plant, that is) AFL Marty : There's no way to fit that many in most of those rooms. Negotiator : 32 - ugh! AFL Marty : So, we needed a fifth component... divide the 120 up 5 ways instead of 4. Negotiator : Could you use the gym or cafeteria? IC Gerry : They took out our desks and had us use tables or sit on the floor..and SQUEEZE..;) PIcture teaching AFL Gayle : Well, gee, Marty, that means you have only 24 students. Not terribly tough. ;) AFL Marty : I think I was in the wrong place at the wrong time. He took one look at me IC Gerry : handwriting to 32 first graders on the floor in the ten minutes allotted time..;) AFL Gayle : ::said facetiously:: AFL Marty : and said Let's teach word processing to 8th graders... AFL Marty : and keyboarding to 7th. IC Gerry : :) AFL Marty : ANd that was that. AFL Marty : Use the gym or cafeteria for what? AFA Bard : Any feedback (+ or -) from the high school about that decision? AFL Gayle : So how did they explain this to the business teachers? Do they no longer teach AFL Gayle : Typing I? AFL Marty : I am ignorant of what the high school does. AFL Gayle : What I think is utterly ridiculous is there are kids who have been using a Negotiator : We have our computers on rolling carts. Move the computers to corner of cafe for more room AFL Gayle : word processor (not well, since we don't teach keyboarding, per se) at my AFL Marty : Oh I see what you're saying.... AFL Gayle : school for about 6 years. Now they've gone on to the high school, and they are AFL Marty : The word processing room can fit 20 students... AFL Marty : but there are other areas (like drafting) where the number of tables is a lot smaller. AFL Gayle : FINALLY taking keyboarding! At least your curriculum structures it semi-logically. AFL Gayle : So, Marty, you teach those subjects all day long in a computer lab? AFA Bard : So.. how young should we teach keyboarding Gayle? AFL Gayle : Is there anywhere the kids who took your course first term can USE those AFL Marty : The room I use was formerly used to teach typing. We use the typing tables AFL Gayle : skills at school? (i.e. other computers?) AFL Marty : to hold our IIc+ IC Gerry : What program do you use to teach keyboarding, Marty? AFL Gayle : How young, Bard? That was a chat a couple of weeks ago. Check the library for AFL Marty : Don't have a program, Gerry. AFA Bard : OK, thanks. AFL Gayle : the log. ;) Seriously, all research points to 4th or 5th grade. AFL Gayle : How do you teach it then, Marty? AFL Marty : They do exercises from the keyboarding textbook at my direction... AFL Marty : with AppleWorks... IC Gerry : 5th maybe..my Michael is not ready and he is going into 4th.. AFL Marty : together with whatever other exercises and applications I feel appropriate. AFL Gayle : I think some introductory in 4th, Gerry. Concentrate on 5th. Most research AFL Gayle : supports 5th. IC Gerry : Kristy was fine in 6th..but there was no followup..so she has lost it all..:( AFA Bard : Do you see carryover of typing skills into other activities, Marty? AFL Gayle : Wow! You mean you got the school to spring for an AppleWorks site license? That AFL Gayle : was no small feat! IC Gerry : Right!!!! AFL Marty : Not exactly Gayle... I'll get to that in a sec. Negotiator : We have 6th graders learn AppleWorks W.P. and PrintShop to make report covers then they use these IC Gerry : WE can't afford one..too small and too much money..:( AFL Marty : Not really, Bard. Negotiator : skills in language arts on other subjects AFL Marty : I only have the kids for 30 days (it was 36 days last year but the AFL Marty : principal added Health to the exploratory arts courses) AFL Gayle : OK. ::listening to Marty:: Then will announce the winner of our free hour. IC Gerry : :) IC Gerry : 6 days of health..great amount..:) AFL Marty : No Gerry... AFL Marty : Instead of 5 components we have 6 this year... AFL Marty : so each component gets 30 days. IC Gerry : Thanks..I was wondering..:) Negotiator : Keyboarding is not an accomplishment in and of itself. It is skill to be used elsewhere. What about AFL Marty : (Just divide into 180). AFL Gayle : Hi, Jon! :) IC Gerry : HI Bugs! :) Negotiator : team teaching, integrated curriculum, joint projects, etc Bugs Bugz : Howdy! AFA Bard : Welcome, Bugs! AFL Marty : By the way, I don't know how to keyboard myself. AFL Marty : Those are nice concepts. AFL Gayle : Yes, I thought I'd heard that rumor before, Marty. :) AFL Marty : They sound so wonderful... team teaching, integrating curriculum. IC Gerry : <--doesn't either..in my school you went to college or took typing and home ec..I DID learn to cook, AFL Gayle : Hush, Bob! The word has to be said in context. :) IC Gerry : BTW..;) AFL Marty : Of course those things require that I have some time to plan those things AFL Gayle : Now, about the AppleWorks site license, Marty? AFL Marty : with my students' classroom teachers. AFL Marty : The reason those teachers can plan together... IC Gerry : Plan?? What is that, Marty? AFL Marty : is that I am working with their kids. AFL Marty : We share no common planning time. IC Gerry : :) AFL Marty : I don't use a site license. AFL Marty : We purchased 25 copies of Appleworks. Negotiator : Talk to the principal. Get common planning time AFL Gayle : Hey, that's sounds like our new "middle school." No common planning time and AFL Marty : And I make sure there are never more than 25 copies in use at any one time. AFL Gayle : the principal doesn't see that it is a problem. "They have from 3:15-3:30 to IC Gerry : Good for you,Marty...;) AFL Gayle : plan together." IC Gerry : I am always hammering on that too... AFL Gayle : That was cheaper than a site license, Marty? AFL Marty : I don't want to talk to him anymore. He doesn't care. AFL Marty : It was at the time Gayle. AFL Gayle : OK. Thanks, Marty. :) AFL Marty : If he cared about the program he wouldn't have weakened it this way. AFL Gayle : Now for our winner of our free hour... For his persistence AND contributions to AFL Gayle : the chat tonight, the free hour goes to Negotiator :) for using the secret AFL Gayle : word, "telecomm." AND you won when you used it in context. ;) IC Gerry : Congrats, Negotiator!!!!!!!! :) AFL Gayle : Congratulations, Bob! :) A nonprime time hour will be credited to your account AFL Gayle : soon. AFL Gayle : *Applause* AFA Bard : Congrats to NEGOTIATOR!!!!! ()() T H E * W I N N E R ! ()() AFL Marty : Congrats! Negotiator : WOW! Great! I Looove freebee! AFA Bard : Marty... DON"T GIVE UP!!! Bugs Bugz : Bye ;) AFL Gayle : Our topic next week is mathematics. And, yes, we will have another free hour AFL Gayle : to give away next week. :) Negotiator : We'll help with ideas, Marty. AFL Marty : I haven't given up. I just know talking to the principal is a waste AFL Marty : of my time and will be non-productive. AFL Gayle : Marty is just being realistic re his principal, sadly. AFA Bard : Marty... try going AROUND him -- PTA, assistant principals, etc. AFA Bard : REhi, Tim. You just missed the excitement - Negotiator just won a free hour! AFL Marty : Oh, that'll go over real big with him! LOL IC Gerry : PTA can sometimes put pressure on..it has worked in a limited way at our school.. Negotiator : There is something wrong with the system if your principal doesn't care and is still there. AFL Marty : I can't argue with you there, Negotiator. AFL Gayle : Sometimes that's called the educational system at work, though, Bob. IC Gerry : That is real life in education, sometimes, sadly.. AFL Gayle : We just finally got a new principal when we got a new superintendent. However, AFA Bard : Every cloud has a silver lining -- pray he's transferred, Marty. :)) AFL Gayle : ours was transferred, not eliminated. AFL Gayle : GMTA, Bard! :) AFL Marty : I just do the best job I can within those parameters I can't change. IC Gerry : Right, Marty..that is what most of us do..:) AFL Marty : Prayed all last year Bard. IC Gerry : :) AFA Bard : :) IC Gerry : I know THAT feeling..:) AFL Marty : (Kinda like using Apple II AOL software :) IC Gerry : But then we loked at the other choices and decided we weren't so bad off after all..:) AFA Bard : Well, folks. Time to edit the log! Thanks to EVERYONE for attending tonight's chat! The log will be AFP TimB : Another shot? :D AFA Bard : posted sometime tomorrow morning.! See ya'll later! AFL Marty : Sometimes I get inspired, Tim :) Negotiator : Thanks, Gayle AFP TimB : (<-- was on CIS last night in chat, yuck!) IC Gerry : AND we got a couple Moms who the princiapl liked to work with him..that has helped.. AFL Marty : You must have a free account there. AFL Gayle : You what, Tim? Why for? IC Gerry : no miracles, but some progress. AFA Bard : Huh, investigating other services, Tim? IC Gerry : :) AFP TimB : Never done it recently, wanted to see what it was like. I asked the NewUser Guide... AFP TimB : if CIS chat was a good as AOL, he never did answer. :D AFA Bard : ROTFL AFL Gayle : LOL! :) What computer were you using, Tim? IC Gerry : I have an account..haven't had the courage to use it yet..:) IC Gerry : LOL, Tim..;) AFL Marty : I cancelled my account there. AFP TimB : PC with a program called QMODEM, he said I should try Compuserve Information... AFA Bard : <-- FORMER C$erve account holder. AFP TimB : Manager so I asked if that was better than AOL, he didn't answer that either. :D AFL Marty : My credit card expired. They were unable to charge $1.50 to it one month... AFL Gayle : LOL! You're a real troublemaker. ;) AFL Marty : so they sent me nasty letters threatening the use of a collection agency. AFL Marty : (I only used it for EMail) AFP TimB : I was pretty nice actually, I did like the fact that they had international users in chat (which we... AFP TimB : don't currently do). AFP TimB : and I commented on that. IC Gerry : Right, Tim..we need to work on that!!! AFL Marty : We should do something about that. AFA Bard : Maybe someday, Tim?!? AFP TimB : Maybe someday. AFL Gayle : Uh, yes, Tim. In fact, we've had questions this weekend about how do we log AFL Marty : How about by Friday? AFL Gayle : on from Greece and Japan? IC Gerry : I understand Toot has lots of leads from schools in other countries who want to be online.. AFL Gayle : Tooter had a response to his Letter to the Editor in INCIDER from a person AFL Marty : (can't abide procrastinators) IC Gerry : GMTA, Gayle..and I haven't even talked to you! LOL!!! AFP TimB : If we're going to be available in other countries then we have to market in those... AFP TimB : areas too and right now our marketing is focused on US. AFP TimB : Limited $ IC Gerry : <--volunteering to go market..;) AFL Gayle : in Greece asking to get involved in ScrapBook, USA. How did he go about logging AFL Gayle : online to AO? AFL Marty : You have marketing? :) AFP TimB : :P AFL Marty : LOL IC Gerry : :) AFA Bard : An internet gateway would attract business customers and theyr $$ though Tim - right?? AFL Gayle : Sigh.. Wasn't much we could help him with an answer to that. :( We get letters AFP TimB : I was told the marketing $ for this year and was blown away. AFL Marty : Graduates of the Apple School of Marketing. :D AFP TimB : Right Bard, but I wouldn't know anything about that. ;) AFL Gayle : all of the time from foreign language teachers wanting their students to write AFL Marty : STEVE AFC SteveB : MARTY! AFL Gayle : to students in France and Spain. AFL Marty : Oooh! Fireworks outside! AFA Bard : Outta here... nite folks. Thanks Gayle, et al, for another GREAT chat!!! 9/1/91 9:26:46 PM Closing Chat Log.