8/11/91 8:05:19 PM Opening "chat8.11" for Chat Log recording. AFL Gayle : Welcome, Steven! :) AFA Bard : Welcome Steven! STEVENB35 : Hello AFA Bard : How's things in Oregon, Steven? STEVENB35 : Other rooms are MAC....yuk!!!!! things herte are going fine AFA Bard : Not THIS room! A2 all the way! AFL Gayle : There are a quite a few other Apple 2 rooms, also, Steven, just not occupied AFL Gayle : at the moment. :) STEVENB35 : I saw that but noticed that they were empty.... STEVENB35 : Well what is the topic for this evening? AFL Gayle : Steven, each forum has a special scheduled time for chats. AFL Gayle : The Apple // Education Forum meets every Sunday at 8 ET, 5 pm for you. AFL Gayle : Tonight, as all of our topics, :) is pretty broad. The topic is HyperMedia, AFL Gayle : but we'll talk about anything you want dealing with Apple //s. STEVENB35 : So it should start in a few minutes. Right.... AFA Bard : Have you explored HyperCard GS yet, Steven? AFL Gayle : It can start right now, Steven. We're not terribly formal here. You are as much AFL Gayle : a part of the chat as Bard and I am. AFL Gayle : We even have a free hour of online time to give away to whomever says the STEVENB35 : Why would I want to look at a piece of MAC trash... AFA Bard : Welcome Emmet! Emmet2 : Hello Bard AFL Gayle : secret word in the chat. To win, you have to stay until the end of the chat AND AFL Gayle : say the secret word, of course. :) STEVENB35 : From what I have seen and read its not as good as my HyperStudio AFL Gayle : What are you doing with HyperStudio, Steven? What kinds of stacks are you AFL Gayle : creating? AFA Bard : (Emmet, we're talking about HyperMedia - no protocol - just jump right in!) Emmet2 : What are we discussing, specifically? STEVENB35 : I am currently doing a series of stacks on the Human Body AFA Bard : GMTA! Emmet2 : any topic in particular STEVENB35 : These are available thru. HyperStudio Network Emmet2 : Steven, are those to be like or continueing from HyperLung etc ... AFL Gayle : HyperMedia is the announced topic, Emmet, but we're flexible. :) AFL Gayle : Great, Steven! HyperStudio Network is one of our Special Interest Groups here STEVENB35 : Yes, Hyperlung, Hyperheart and HyperSkin were earlier versions Emmet2 : I just finished an afternoon session with HyperCard GS to create a new stack AFL Gayle : in the Appe // Education Forum. :) Emmet2 : I just uploaded to the APR section. AFL Gayle : Make that Apple //. :) Emmet2 : Steven, what are the future versions going to cover? AFL Gayle : What was the subject of your HCGS stack, Emmet? Emmet2 : Submarines Emmet2 : particularly those lost at sea since WWII Emmet2 : and during AFL Gayle : Sometime in the fall, we will have a library for HCGS stacks, too. Marty from AFA Bard : Does it include scanned images, Emmet? AFL Gayle : APR will be coordinating it among Graphics and Music and us. Emmet2 : No, not yet ... later it will include a silhouette of each sub, but currently Emmet2 : it is just data STEVENB35 : Currently completed are: HyperMotion, HyperDigestion, HyperVision,,,etc.. AFL Gayle : Emmet, have you tried any of the new conversions of Mac stacks available in the AFL Gayle : new APR area? Emmet2 : it is well set up visually ... I think ... but I am not biased either ... :) AFA Bard : Sounds great! Emmet (George) do you prefer HCGS over HyperStudio? Emmet2 : no ... I just download hypermover yesterday ... haven't played with it yet .. Emmet2 : I do have some questions about it STEVENB35 : Almost finished with another two disk set covering the circulatory system and STEVENB35 : lymphatic system Emmet2 : I prefer HyperCard for some purposes ... but HyperStudio has its advantages AFL Gayle : Well, Marty's the expert on that, but what are your questions? (I haven't used AFL Gayle : it yet, either. :) Emmet2 : it is better at animations Emmet2 : comes with sound capabilities AFL Gayle : Bard, have you tried HyperMover yet? AFA Bard : Steven, I've seen some of your previous stackware - I like it! STEVENB35 : HyperCard may be better in some aspects but the cost..... Emmet2 : I wondered, if I disected a stack and uploaded the parts if one could reassambl AFA Bard : Yes, Gayle.. but so far I've only moved stacks from MAC to GS, not the other way (although I have the Emmet2 : e it on a mac AFA Bard : MOVER program that does that.) Emmet2 : Or the reverse... AFA Bard : Emmet -- it depends on what you mean by dissect - you mean buttons, scripts, etc? AFL Gayle : George, as I assume you've seen, Marty has a new library of stacks moved from AFL Gayle : Mac to ProDOS for enterprising users, such as you, :) AFL Gayle : AFK-door knock Emmet2 : I mean... if I break apart a stack in preperation for transfer ... can someone Emmet2 : complete the transfer if I upload it to them ... or do I have to have AFE or Emmet2 : Apple Talk per the docs ... Emmet2 : The docs don't address upload/downloading the pieces and assembling them ... AFA Bard : Yup - AFE is a must, although the stacks will transfer in SOME form no matter how you do it... AFA Bard : Welcome AFC Joker!!! STEVENB35 : hello Joker Emmet2 : AFK-doorknock????? AFA Bard : I'd experiment with it on a small scale, Emmet and see what happens! AFC Joker : Hi you all...:) AFA Bard : The Fuller Brush man is visiting AFL Gayle at the moment! Emmet2 : I just wonder if the user must have the two machines in the same room (access- Emmet2 : ible) or if they may be on opposite sides of the state/country... AFA Bard : We're discussing HyperMedia at the moment Joker -- you got any "hyper" news/interests? STEVENB35 : Well i can not stay any longer..this long distance charges are murder.... AFA Bard : OH! No, Emmet. I think you can send the files directly and THEN convert them if you use AOL -- Or AFA Bard : you could convert and then send! AFA Bard : Steve -- thanks for coming! Your stackware is GREAT -- keep it up! AFC Joker : Unfortunately not. I'm waiting until I get my <2MB ram card AFC Joker : before I pick up HCGS. Emmet2 : That is what I wanted to know ... can you send the pieces and not loose anything in the process STEVENB35 : Thanks....Bye for now AFA Bard : I think so, Emmet. AFC Joker : Besides, I'm still learning about HyperStudio. AFA Bard : Tracy - have you done much with HyperStudio? AFA Bard : GMTA! Emmet2 : good ... then it is a useful tool for anyone who has a mac or a gs and uses Emmet2 : hypercard! Emmet2 : HyperStudio files seem larger ... more download/upload time! AFC Joker : I have HS, and have downloaded a few stacks (they're so HUGE!) AFC Joker : but haven't yet done any Stack creating. Emmet2 : Hi Ragen AFA Bard : (BTW - AFC Joker is the Forum Consultant from the A2 Hardware Forum!) RagenT : Hi there! AFA Bard : Ragen! Welcome! Say Hi to Tracy (AFC Joker) and George (Emmet)! Emmet2 : HyperStudio, like all Hypermedia is easy to use ... but the stacks are quite AFA Bard : (Gayle's AFK - a knock at her door!) Emmet2 : lengthy! AFC Joker : One drawback I've found in HS, is that every different RagenT : Hi Tracy and George! AFC Joker : stack that uses a different XCMD has to be in a separate AFC Joker : directory. AFC Joker : Hi Ragen! Emmet2 : Bridgewater ... what is that near? AFC Joker : That's the way I understand it anyway. Emmet2 : I still prefer HyperCard ... AFA Bard : Ragen -- have you test driven HCGS yet? Emmet2 : I am still getting used to it though ... AFA Bard : Joker - I think there's a way around that. I suggest you post a question in the HS forum area. :) Emmet2 : What I love most is the Scripts ... they allow so much creativity RagenT : Brockton, 30 miles south of Boston. No Bard, I have a GS and only IIe's in RagenT : our school system. I'm a Tutor-tech maniac! Emmet2 : RagenT, then you are not too far from me ... I am in Norwich CT... originally AFA Bard : Right, I remember! Emmet and Tracy - have you seen/explored Tutor Tech? Emmet2 : from Keene NH ... my wife is from Framingham MA AFC Joker : No, I've never seen Tutor-Tech, although I know of its reputation. Emmet2 : No, I spend too much on computer stuff as it is ... I have been happy with two RagenT : However, I would love to explore others eventually. Emmet: a NewEnglander, I'm Emmet2 : hypermedia programs so far ... Hyper Studio/CardGS AFC Joker : I had an opportunity to see it at KansasFest, AFC Joker : but passed. I'm too bogged down trying to get on top of HS. :) RagenT : originally from the midwest, Northern Indiana. AFA Bard : TTech is a great solution for IIe labs with limited memory. RagenT : Exactly Bard, and easy to learn. AFA Bard : Anyone ventured into the world of videodisc programming with HS or HCGS? AFA Bard : ..or Tutor Tech? AFL Gayle : BAK (Sorry) AFC Joker : <-- still dreaming about videodiscs. Emmet2 : No, I haven't found a justification for the expense yet ... AFA Bard : Welcome Back, Gayle! Did you buy any Girl Scout cookies? AFC Joker : <-- waiting for read.write videodiscs. :) AFL Gayle : [[[Tracy]]] Hi! :))) Emmet2 : I am still trying to justify buying a ZipGS to replace my defunct TWGS AFC Joker : {{{{ Gayle }}}} LTNS. :) AFL Gayle : No, Bard. Wrong season for those. ;) RagenT : No, dreaming also. AFL Gayle : Welcome, Ragen! :) AFC Joker : We Apple II folks are a bunch of cheap rascals. :) AFC Joker : Chuck Newby says that's the problem with the II market. Emmet2 : I dream all the time ... but since I will be getting a $450 pay cut soon, I AFA Bard : Roger Wagner does some really creative things with a videodisc in his public presentation. AFC Joker : No money being spent. :) Emmet2 : must save as much as possible for the future AFA Bard : Not cheap, Tracy - just "efficient consumers." :) Emmet2 : No, I am not cheap ... ask my wife ... but I really can't afford it right now AFA Bard : Pay Cut, George? Must be a government employee? Emmet2 : If I could .. I probably would buy a IBM to diversify anyway ... AFL Gayle : Pay cut here is called legislature voted to freeze salaries once again. No AFL Gayle : raise. :( Emmet2 : Sort of ... I am in the Navy, but I am transferring to shore duty ... paycut! AFC Joker : <-- Congress is considering rolling back the 5% differential AFL Gayle : So, Ragen, what kinds of stacks are you working on now? Emmet2 : <--EM1(SS) AFC Joker : offered to Air Traffic Controllers back when Patco went on strike. Emmet2 : (Hence the interest in subs for the new stack) RagenT : Midge just finished one on Monarch Butterflies with a teacher and I did some RagenT : drawings for it. I have been awfully busy with other things but plan to get RagenT : back to it soon. AFL Gayle : Tutor Tech fans will want to be sure to stop by our Direct Connect and check AFA Bard : Aha! Great, George! How about including an "inside look" - maybe a sketchy floor plan or something?I AFL Gayle : out the Let's Discuss there. RagenT : I am giving an hour presentation at a local tech expo in September on TT though AFA Bard : think lots of folks wonder what's in there?!? You know, something simple, nothing to give anway any AFA Bard : secrets. :)) AFL Gayle : Dave has posted an extensive press release on their war stacks. AFL Gayle : They've just converted it to HyperCard, also. AFL Gayle : Welcome, Chunky! ChunkyButt : HALLO. Emmet2 : That is a good idea ... I could give floor plans for older boats ... and rough AFA Bard : Welcome CB -- you get major credit for a most bodacious screenname! :)) Emmet2 : ones for current boats AFA Bard : We're discussing HyperMedia, CB. Jump right in. :)] ChunkyButt : Thanks! Emmet2 : Hi Chuncky ChunkyButt : First, what's new in HStudio 3.0? AFA Bard : Yes, George. I think that's be great! AFL Gayle : Well, there it's still largely on the drawing board, Chunky. AFA Bard : (uh oh... looks like my grammar checker's on the blink again. :)) Emmet2 : What is the name of the stack Gayle ChunkyButt : I thought it was in beta by now. AFA Bard : I think it is, CB - I haven't seen it yet. AFL Gayle : I think it might be, Chunky. I do know Roger demoed it at Kansas, but in the AFL Gayle : Message Board, he wouldn't comment on it. AFA Bard : ** Remember, folks, a FREE HOUR will be awarded to a lucky attendee at the end of the conference! You AFA Bard : may have already said the secret word! STick around to see who get's the FREE HOUR! ** AFL Gayle : George, the stack is Iraq Stack -- Gulf War Software. AFL Gayle : It's a stack that requires Tutor Tech to use it. AFL Gayle : To find the messages, choose Direct Connect from our AED menu; then Tutor Tech. The folder is call Iraq Stack -- Gulf War Software RagenT : I didn't realise he had uploaded it already! AFA Bard : Iraq Stack is also available in HCGS and HS form from Mindscapes - but they're charging for it. :) AFL Gayle : He hasn't uploaded the stack, Ragen. You have to buy it. AFL Gayle : He's uploaded the PRESS RELEASE about it. :) RagenT : Oh! I guess it would be. Emmet2 : well, gotta go ... speaking of cheap .... ChunkyButt : Does the Iraq stack have any digitized photots? RagenT : Bye George, nice chatting:) AFA Bard : George, thanks for coming! Please keep us posted on your SUB stack!!! Lemme know when it's AFA Bard : finished! Emmet2 : email me anytime ... and everyone download my new stack when i is available Emmet2 : it is called "HyperSubs" ChunkyButt : Sure will Emmet. AFL Gayle : I haven't seen it, Chunky. From what I recall, the Mac version for HyperCard AFL Gayle : has digitized photos, but not the original. Emmet2 : it is primarily done, and uploaded ... there will be an update or two in the Emmet2 : future ChunkyButt : Does HCGS have separate windows in 1.1? AFC Joker : Chunky, one thing that was mentioned about HS3 was the AFC Joker : ability to use 320 mode graphics in your stacks. AFC Joker : That'd be right up my alley. I tried using some 320 pics AFC Joker : here recently, and got blown out of the tub. ChunkyButt : 620 and 320 at the same time? (I know, wishful thinking.) AFA Bard : Welcome LouBedell! We're chatting about HyperMedia! AFL Gayle : It says "Visual Database of People and Places," Chunky. Not sure what type of AFL Gayle : clip art that is that is in the Iraq Stack. Why don't you post your question AFC Joker : Can't say for sure, Chunky. I didn't hear it if it was mentioned. AFL Gayle : in that folder? Dave Lampert from Tutor Tech usually checks in at least once AFL Gayle : a week and answers questions. AFL Gayle : Chunky, in the folder where Roger said he couldn't comment specifically on RagenT : Usually he checks in Saturday or Sundays. AFL Gayle : HS 3.0, he said please post all of the new features you would like to see. They AFL Gayle : can't be considered unless Roger knows someone wants them. :) AFA Bard : And Roger's great about listening to user needs! ChunkyButt : Hmmm.... ChunkyButt : I think HCGS will become more viable with the release Sys 6.0. AFA Bard : Anyone explored any of the great buttons uploaded in the HS libraries? ChunkyButt : Not yet... Promise to check it out though. AFL Gayle : They're really short downloads, Chunky, and really great buttons. AFA Bard : Some great animated buttons too! ChunkyButt : Cool. I'll take a look. ChunkyButt : Have there been a lot of conversions from Mac HC to HCGS? AFL Gayle : Anyone interested in HyperStudio really should check the StudioWare Library ChunkyButt : I'm still looking for a lot of HC stacks. Not many around. AFL Gayle : regularly. There are frequent stacks. AFA Bard : More every day, CB. As Gayle mentioned, Marty will be releasing some news on that soon. :) AFL Gayle : Chunky, have you looked in APR (Productivity)? AFA Bard : Check the STUDIOWARE library accessible from this forum, CB. ChunkyButt : Not for a little while. AFL Gayle : There's a BIG library there of HCGS stacks. Also, there's a new library now AFL Gayle : in APR of stacks that have been disassembled from the Mac to put back together AFL Gayle : with HCGS. AFL Gayle : AED, AGR, and AMS will be getting HCGS sublibraries this fall, too, but primary AFL Gayle : support and all of those libraries will be in APR. AFL Gayle : Chunky, was there a particular subject you were looking for in a stack? ChunkyButt : ROM KEEPERS RULE! ChunkyButt : SORRY. MY SISTER THOUGHT IT BE FUNNY TO TYPE ON MY KEYBOARD! ChunkyButt : Yeah, I'm looking for science stacks. AFL Gayle : OH. OK. I was wondering what that translated to. :) AFA Bard : Just quietly lock her in the closet, CB. :)) AFL Gayle : Great, Chunky! Have you seen the Periodic Table HCGS stack? AFL Gayle : HyperTable, version 2.0, now available in the AED New Files Library, a AFL Gayle : shareware HCGS stack. RagenT : I'm sorry, gotta go. Night all:) ChunkyButt : no78 ChunkyButt : Sorry. Can't lock her in. AFC Joker : <-- gotta run. See you all later. :) AFA Bard : Nite Tracy! AFL Gayle : GREAT seeing you, Tracy! Stop by more often. :) [[[]]] ChunkyButt : So, who do you think has the authority to lock whom in a closet? AFA Bard : CB.. check out the PLANET DB stack, the MOON stack and the ASTRONOMY stacks in the stackware AFA Bard : library. :) AFA Bard : LOL! CB.. jus' kidding! AFA Bard : Hmm... looks like AFL Gayle got booted off -- bet she hit the wrong key! :)) ChunkyButt : HAH HAH. ChunkyButt : Probably. AFA Bard : Hang in there for abou 6 minutes, CB -- we'll be giving away a FREE HOUR and you've got a MAJOR AFL Gayle : Sigh... "Your modem has disconnected." Re-hi. AFA Bard : chance!!!! :))) ChunkyButt : I didn't know there was a periodic table stack. ChunkyButt : New to hypermedia. AFL Gayle : Yes, it's been around awhile in version 1.0. 2.0 just came out. AFA Bard : It's really complete, too, CB. Got some great things you can adapt to other stacks. AFL Gayle : OK. Time to announce the winner of our free hour! ChunkyButt : WHAT'S NEW IN IT? AFA Bard : Drum roll-------------------** AFL Gayle : You can print with it now, Chunky. AFL Gayle : ChunkyButt is our winner! Congratulations! AFA Bard : Congratulations CB!!!! ()()()()()()()()()()()()()() AFL Gayle : A free non prime hour will be credited to your account some time in the next AFL Gayle : week. ChunkyButt : Wow! AFA Bard : You've won a FREE ONLINE HOUR!!! Great luck!! ChunkyButt : I like to thank my parents.... ChunkyButt : my friends.... AFA Bard : And your ROM RULES sister, too! ;)) AFL Gayle : Welcome, Jeff! :) AFA Bard : Welcome JEFFE ChunkyButt : and everyone else who made this possible! AFL Gayle : The winning word was keyboard. ChunkyButt : Got to jet to ABF! Catch you all later! AFA Bard : Thanks for chattin' with us, CB! AFL Gayle : Great! Tell Joey and Sandy AED says Hi! :) ChunkyButt : Anytime! Bye all! 8/11/91 9:04:42 PM ET Closing Chat Log.