File: Chat Log 12/5/93 Date: 12/5/93 Start Time: 8:09:34 PM End Time: 9:04:46 PM Number of participants: 14 Participants: AFA Bard, AFC Tooter, Bugs Bugz, El Pelon, Elaine 100, GaryaW6485, GRCUMD, Jeremy435, LeslieG1, MaryEz, RckClmbr, Ronny 888, SandyE, TABER AFA Bard: Welcome to the Apple II Education Chat! Tonight's topic is USING COMPUTER IN THE CLASSROOM. AFA Bard : If you could change the way computers are used at your school, what would you change, Jeremy? Jeremy435 : I would buy a network for a start(Ethernet) AFA Bard : How would you use the network? SandyE : Jeremy, If your school was networked what would you do? Jeremy435 : for example..if I needed a file from the newsletter computer(click art, etc), I could just grab it fro AFA Bard : Welcome Elaine! Jeremy435 : m the network Elaine 100 : Hi Everyone. What's the topic tonight? SandyE : Jeremy-What size is your school, what age levels, how do they use the computers (besides yearbook) Jeremy435 : whatcha mean, a free hour> MaryEz : Do you have a lab and/or computers in the classrooms, Jeremy? Jeremy435 : I have 800 kids in my school(6-9 grade). AFA Bard : Yup-- YOU could win, Jeremy! Simply hang out there until chat's end and a FREE HOUR of online time Jeremy435 : Yes..we have 2 computer labs AFA Bard : will be awarded to someone who says the "secret word" (In context- no guessing!). Jeremy435 : how do you win? MaryEz : How many students in your school? Jeremy435 : please um...about 800-900 1 less effective Thursday MaryEz : What are the labs use for mostly? AFA Bard : Welcome El Pelon! We're chatting about computers in schools. Jeremy435 : One for typing and one for resources AFA Bard : Welcome GRCUMD! El Pelon : My daughter is doing research on modems. Anybody know when they were invented and by whom? Jeremy435 : we also have computers in the Library! SandyE : What does that mean? One less on Thursday? Dropping out? AFA Bard : Resources? MaryEz : Typing? Only typing? Why not a writing lab? Jeremy435 : nope..he shot himself AFA Bard : Hayes Microcomputers invented the modem protocol- some time in the mid 80's. Hayes is located in Norcross, Ga. Jeremy435 : that is what resources is why don't you go to Mac Telecommunications?? AFA Bard : Do you have a special class for yearbook, or do you do it on your own time, Jeremy? El Pelon- check keyword MUT (Utility) Forum. They might be able to help. El Pelon : Didn't Ward Christenson develop the XMODEM protocol? The real question is who developed the acoustic coupler? Jeremy435 : we have a meeting every week after school AFA Bard : (GMTA, Jeremy) MaryEz : Do you use AOL in school, Jeremy? El Pelon : I'll try MUT. Thanks GRCUMD : Hi, I'm new on AOL. Just looking through ed. chat groups. Need suggestions on good Apple II ed s/ware AFA Bard : I think so, El Pelon- but that came AFTER the development of the communications protocols. Jeremy435 : yes they do!! no, we don't I do most of the yearbook work on my own time AFA Bard : GRCUMD- what grade level? Elaine 100 : GRCUMD SandyE is the pro, right Sandy. MaryEz : In what way, Jeremy? Have you ever done ScrapBookUSA? Jeremy435 : whatcha mean, MaryEz? GRCUMD : I'm working with K-6 teachers. Mac soft is better known to me. AFA Bard : Have them start with Gradebusters 1/2/3- a nifty A2 gradebook. Jeremy435 : you guys are really interested in me!!!:) MaryEz : ScrapBookUSA is a writing project which Bard and Ted Roth developed. You can find info in the Electronic Schoolhouse. AFA Bard : AppleWorks, Children's Writing & Publishing Center are good, too GRCUMD. Of course we are, Jeremy- you're why we're in the business!! Jeremy435 : my teachers are not nice GRCUMD : Looking for 'thinking' promoting science s/ware. Proj. Zoo or Zoo keeper are good models. Others? MaryEz : Jeremy, we teach kids like you. I teach gr.5/6 computers. Elaine 100 : ScrapBook USA is developed for what grade level? Jeremy435 : I gotta go take a shower now so I am going afk. I will be back in 10 minutes, ok? SandyE : Jeremy--I can't imagine that all your teachers wouldn't LOVE to have a bright kids like you around MaryEz : I am very interested in your Scrapbook project. I've been trying to get them to do ours on the Jeremy435 : just messed up there! MaryEz : computer but nobody is interested. Jeremy435 : so I'll be back soon, ok? AFA Bard : Fine, Jeremy-- make sure you're back soon- you may win the hour!!! SandyE : Bye, Jeremy--go get clean! See ya soon MaryEz : Elaine, ScrapBookUSA is for any grade 2 to adult ed. Jeremy435 : but how? MaryEz : Say the secret word! AFA Bard : It's a secret word, Jeremy-- in context-- chosen by a special Online Host. :) Take my word for it, come back! Elaine 100 : Thanks, I'll need to look into that one. Jeremy435 : be back shortly GRCUMD : Bard. I'm working with a constructivist science model. Using Ch.Wrt&pub is nice idea. next line AFA Bard : Elaine-- Scrapbook is many things. We've got folks doing economics projects, telecommunicating with Alaska, working with science, and MUCH more! MaryEz : Check out the Student to Student board on the Electronic Schoolhouse, Elaine for some examples AFA Bard : GRCUMD-- if you like CW&P, you should check out some of the PROBEWARE sets available for the A2. MaryEz : The Electronic Schoolhouse has all sorts of TC projects going on. SandyE : Bard-don't forget social studies--the postcard exchange in School to School AFA Bard : They offer temperature, sound, light and other probes for scientific measure. MaryEz : Keyword is ESH. AFA Bard : And GRCUMD, LEGO LOGO is great, too. Heard of it? MaryEz : I loooove Lego/Logo!! I use it in my summer school classes! Too many kids during the school year! GRCUMD : Bard, do you know of teachers that use ChW&pub with whole laguage & kids science labs/notes? AFA Bard : Sure-- Sandy- do you still use CWP in your A2 lab? Does Sherah? MaryEz : Hi, Leslie, I just noticed you had entered the room. How are you this evening? SandyE : BW--I don't think Pam (in our A2) lab does. Don't know about Sherah. LeslieG1 : Besides the flu, great, thank you! AFA Bard : GRCUMD, try e-mailing SHERAH1 (Sherah Carr)- she might be able to help. Besides that, you might leave a message in one of the folders in our LET'S DISCUSS area online. GRCUMD : Bard, Let's net later. I'd like to share notes Inet - gcollison@umassd.edu Elaine 100 : What is CWP? All this good info I pass on to our Media Specialist & computer teacher. AFA Bard : Hiya Leslie. You look FINE to us! ;) CWP = Children't Writing & Publishing Co. (Scholastic) Uhm.. or is it Learning Company? Elaine 100 : Oh I knew that. MaryEz : Learning Co. AFA Bard : LegoLogo is WAY COOL, though, Elaine. Mary- are ya'll still using that? MaryEz : I don't use it anymore because I have kids coming from Mac labs at the elementary level who have Elaine 100 : I've used CWP with my students last year. They wrote great stories for publishing. MaryEz : used the Writing Center. AFA Bard : GCCUMD- sounds great- I'm (obviously) afabard@aol.com Welcome ronny! SandyE : Bard, Isn't CWP the precursor to The Writing Center? MaryEz : I use AppleWorks instead. Ronny 888 : does anyone have a newer version of dl viewer then aol's GRCUMD : Like Lego/logo a lot. Pricey!! My schools are very poor. There is new version LASY with Win Logo IBM AFA Bard : Yup Sandy. :) Ronny- what kind of computer are you using? Ronny 888 : a Mac Elaine 100 : How expensive is LegoLogo? AFA Bard : Go to the SOFTWARE SEARCH and enter keyboard viewer. GIF CONVERTER is the best! keyboard = keyword! SandyE : We use LegoLogo in our Technology Lab (formerly knows as Industrial Arts) Boy, have times changed! Ronny 888 : afa bard i need a dl viewer AFA Bard : TeachText will do it too, Ronny. Is that what you mean? SandyE : Ronny-What's a dl viewer? Ronny 888 : will it work with movies afa? MaryEz : We are still arguing over the definition of "Technology" in our district and the state, for that matter. AFA Bard : If you have System 7.0 or later, Teachtext will read Quicktime files. BUGS!! afa= America Online Forum Assistant, Ronny. Bugs Bugz : Hi all.. MaryEz : Hi, Bugs. SandyE : Mary, that's interesting...what does your district think technology is? LeslieG1 : rehi.. I got bumped off! GRCUMD : Can't find the info now. Win Logo from Cambridge has a nice interface with LASY blocks for MS/DOS MaryEz : The technology committee thinks in is anything from film strip projectors to computers, the HS thinks Jeremy435 : I'm back! MaryEz : it is shop. I don't know what it is!!!! AFA Bard : re-hi Jeremy! Jeremy435 : what did I miss MaryEz : That was quick, Jeremy! Are you sure you washed behind your ears? Jeremy435 : sure did!!!:D AFA Bard : You can read the log tomorrow, Jeremy. You did *not* miss the FREE HOUR giveaway, though. ;) Jeremy435 : ooooooh, goodie!!:) MaryEz : How do each of you use AOL in the classroom? Jeremy435 : does anyone at the schools you guys teach at smoke? We don't use AOL in the classroom. SandyE : No smoking allowed! AFA Bard : Not! SandyE : Unless you count fingers flying across keyboards! Jeremy435 : The teachers probably don't know about modems!!:) AFA Bard : Sounds like an awesome way to impress your teachers, Jeremy- do a live demo of AOL at your school! Show 'em what they're missing! Jeremy435 : I wish.. how though? MaryEz : Do you have a phone line and a modem in your rooms? LeslieG1 : AOL demos are great.. I always show AOL and the Internet demos to educators Jeremy435 : at my house but not in the rooms at school AFA Bard : In the media center, Jeremy? Elaine 100 : Does your school have phone lines & modems in every classroom, Mary? SandyE : Jeremy, Do either of the labs have a phone? Jeremy435 : think I could invite my teachers over to my house? I dunno..I don;t think so SandyE : Jeremy--you might be surprised... MaryEz : Only one in the computer lab, Elaine. I am working on getting extensions off that line into other rooms. SandyE : Teachers are very human, given the opportunity Jeremy435 : If one of your students invited you over, would you go? MaryEz : Trying to get parent volunteers to help. No money for anything extra this year. Elaine 100 : We have written a retrofit grant which would give every class room computer access and phone lines. SandyE : Jeremy, I've been to many student's homes. Do you have any teachers who are interested in technology? MaryEz : Jeremy, do it at school at a staff meeting if you can. Get them into the Electronic Schoolhouse. Elaine 100 : We are all keeping fingers crossed. Jeremy435 : I don't know MaryEz : What is a retrofit grant, Elaine? Jeremy435 : It is so awkward though to invite a teacher over to your OWN house! MaryEz : Jeremy, teachers are human, you know! Jeremy435 : yeah, I know but they are teachers...They do their thing and I do mine SandyE : Jeremy, teachers learn and students teach...sometimes it works the other way too Elaine 100 : Here in FL we are able to write a grant to get $$ from the St. to add tech to the schools. We are MaryEz : Jeremy, I wouldn't be where I am today if it weren't for a 14 year old boy! Elaine 100 : talking about over $10,000. Jeremy435 : really! LeslieG1 : any here from the Southern Cal area? or Orange county? SandyE : Elaine-I'm taking a grant writing course from our county's grant writer. I hope to learn how to get some $$ for Tech in our school! Fingers crossed as I write AFA Bard : Sandy- ask Gwen about the Apple Grant proposals that just came out. TABER : I'm new to AOL. Any early Childhood teachers? Elaine 100 : Grant writing is a tricky business. Sometimes you are lucky and sometimes.... SandyE : Leslie--Leni is usually here, and my friend KathHMB (both from Calif) Jeremy435 : This kid masmune is writing bad Instant Messages to me..what should I do? LeslieG1 : thanks Sandy oooops Sandy SandyE : Will do, Bard, thanks MaryEz : Ignore him! Jeremy435 : how? TABER : anybody from Massachusetts AFA Bard : Jeremy- remind him about AOL's TERMS OF SERVICE and ask him to stop. Then don't answer him. MaryEz : Don't answer him. Just close the IM window. Jeremy435 : ok Elaine 100 : Jeremy, what grade are you in? SandyE : Jeremy, my son got kicked off AOL when he was 14 (HONEST!). He was very sorry and had to write a letter to get reconnected. Jeremy435 : I am in 7th AFA Bard : Welcome AYOKA and TABER! Taber- you've got CA, GA & CT folks here-- did I miss anyone? TABER : thank you! Jeremy435 : I can't get kicked off!! I ama Teen Chat host under a different name!!!!! TABER : where about in CT MaryEz : Branford Elaine 100 : Yes sir, FL SandyE : Jeremy, my son was reminded of the Terms of Service and continued to act up and was disconnected. I know truly, I do. TABER : Elaine, what grade do you teach? AFA Bard : Sorry, Elaine. ;) G'nite Bugs! Elaine 100 : This year I am a 7th grade Guidance Counselor. I've taught Reading for many years in middle school. Jeremy435 : I could use some Guidance! Elaine 100 : That's OK Bard, you always give me great info. You are forgiven. TABER : What do you teach MaryEz AFA Bard : :) Elaine 100 : Jeremy, you must have a counselor at your school. MaryEz : Computers at Baldwin Middle School, gr 5/6 AFA Bard : Welcome Jazzer. We're chatting about using computers in the classroom. Jeremy435 : I hate talking to him...It is better if I am not seen TABER : got to go, thanks! MaryEz : We use Internet and AOL in our school. AFA Bard : Welcome RckClmbr. RckClmbr : thanks. it's my first time here. Elaine 100 : Jeremy, do you have a teacher you can talk to? SandyE : Jeremy, did you know the student who committed suicide? AFA Bard : **Less than 15 minutes until our FREE HOUR giveway! ** Jeremy435 : yes Elaine 100 : Wow, time goes fast. SandyE : Jeremy, how well did you know him? Did you know he was troubled? AFA Bard : yes to Elaine or Sandy, Jeremy. Jeremy435 : James Cole MaryEz : Every 6th grader takes part in ScrapBookUSA and others do the Academic Bowl, World Walk About with Jeremy435 : how do you know, Sandy? SandyE : How do I know what, Jeremy? MaryEz : Joe and Arlo, and math word problems. Just started a Book Discussion folder on Student to Student. Jeremy435 : about the kid who commited suicide? Elaine 100 : Bard, how do topics get developed on these Sunday nite chats? AFA Bard : Welcome Lon Pro- we're chatting about using computers in the classroom (and other education issues) Elaine- the staff does it. I'm booking for FEBRUARY now- got any ideas? SandyE : I'm not psychic, Jeremy, you mentioned earlier in the chat about one less student at your school... Jeremy435 : oh yeah! Elaine 100 : Yep, what about Format lessons or multiple intelligences? SandyE : Mary--Are Joe and Arlo travelling this year? MaryEz : What grades are at your school, Jeremy? Jeremy435 : I need help about this kid who is bothering me, though MaryEz : No, Sandy, I'm just recycling last year's trips in different classes. Jeremy435 : It is getting perty late and I gotta get to sleep! Gotta wake up in the morning! AFA Bard : Find that teacher you really like, Jeremy. They'll help for sure. Elaine 100 : Jeremy, do you have a conflict resolution program at your school? It is a good way to communicate. Jeremy435 : nope I really wish I could stay...but.. MaryEz : Stay for 10 more minutes jeremy. You might with a free hour. Jeremy435 : before I go though, does anyone have a Quadra? MaryEz : with = win AFA Bard : Sure you don't want to wait about 10 mins. for the free hour giveaway, Jeremy? Elaine 100 : Nite, Jeremy. Study hard and get those grades. Try to talk out your problems. SandyE : Jeremy...if you leave now...you'll lay in bed awake wondering who won the free time.... Jeremy435 : ok..I'll stay. You teachers should no better than to keep a kid up, though!!!!!!!:) hehehehe!:D SandyE : Jeremy--I have mixed feeling about keeping you up. What time zone are you? Jeremy435 : man, I wish I had all of you for teachers!!!:) Elaine 100 : Now, if Jeremy sleeps in class, do not yell at him. Jeremy435 : eastern time zone SandyE : Mary--that's a GREAT idea. My ESOL (English as a Second Language) teacher is thinking of using MaryEz : Jeremy, it's only 8:50, do you really go to bed this early? SandyE : my old printouts to do just that! Jeremy435 : I like to lay in bed and watch some TV and eat a snack..stuff like that SandyE : Jeremy--I could sure use a kid like you as one of my Technology Assistants..you get out of class too MaryEz : Sandy, it's still available in the Global Links board. SandyE : Mary-I'm a packrat. Kept all the clues in a folder... Jeremy435 : Also, I don't feel to good today. Throat hurts, have a headache, and all kinds of horrible things! SandyE : Poor Jeremy ... Elaine was sick too (Elaine, any sympathy for Jeremy) Jeremy435 : so, does anyone here owna quadra?? SandyE : Well, Jeremy, I'm writing a grant to try to get on AV machine... AFA Bard : There's a quadra in our network, Jeremy. Elaine 100 : Poor Jeremy, I know how you feel. Jeremy435 : thanx, Elaine SandyE : Jeremy--what are you on now? I'm on an LC III Jeremy435 : I set up a Quadra discussion for tomorrow night at 8pm...you guys are ALL invited! SandyE : Where. Jeremy? Jeremy435 : I am on a Quadra 605, Performa 400, and a Duo 230 It is in a private room called Quadra AFA Bard : I see you've got the computer habit, too! ;0 SandyE : J.-- Who is coming? MaryEz : I am still waiting for a Quadra 660 AV. Got the monitor a month ago, but still no computer! @:-( Jeremy435 : guys...mom is telling me to get off now...have to listen to her!!!:) AFC Tooter : ( ) | | | GaryaW6485 : by jeremy MaryEz : I'm using my powerbook 160 in my lap while watching Discovery on TV AFC Tooter : *pop*pop*Fireworks**pop*pop*pop*pop*pop* AFA Bard : OK folks... Quiet! (welcome, Toot!) It's time for the FREE HOUR! MaryEz : *fanfare* Jeremy435 : America Online ForumConsultant Tooter! oooooh, goodie! AFA Bard : First-- join us EVERY week here in the AED Conference room for another terrific education- Jeremy435 : what does AFA stand for? AFA Bard : related topic. Also-- check out the ELECTRONIC SCHOOLHOUSE for some great SCRAPBOOK projects GaryaW6485 : How many toots can old Tooter toot. Jeremy435 : hurry, hurry, hurry SandyE : Apple Forum Assistant, Jeremy AFA Bard : now underway. Also.. if you ideas for future topics, please e-mail them to me soon! We're scheduling for FEBRUARY, 1994 right now.... AND now... The FREE HOUR.... Jeremy435 : please be me AFA Bard : goes to the person who first said the secret word for tonight... "NETWORK"... Jeremy435 : oh, ok AFA Bard : the winner is... Elaine 100 : I hope so too - for Jeremy Jeremy435 : me me me AFA Bard : JEREMY435!!!! Yippee!!! SandyE : Jeremy...you're a lucky guy...I knew it would be YOU!!! Congrats! Jeremy435 : yey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:) MaryEz : {}{}{}{}{}{}{}}{}{}{}{}{}{} AFA Bard : Your free hour will be posted within 72 hours to your account!!!!!!!! Jeremy435 : I can't believe it!!!!!:) Elaine 100 : Way to go Jeremy, what a lucky guy. Aren't you glad you stayed. SandyE : Now you can go to bed and dream of how to use your FREE hour, G'nite..don't make your mom mad! Jeremy435 : thanx, AFA Bard!!!!!! MaryEz : Keep up the good work, Jeremy!!! Sleep well! Jeremy435 : lets all keep in touch!!! AFC Tooter : Just a quick hi on my way to the NEWS BUREAU meeting. :-)) AFA Bard : You're welcome, Jeremy! SandyE : And if you can't talk to your teachers...talk to me anytime! AFA Bard : See all you folks next week! Same AOL time, Same AOL channel!!! SandyE : Hi Tooter....Bye Tooter MaryEz : Me, too, Jeremy. Write anytime. GaryaW6485 : Afc Tooter--can I get your attention for some help? AFC Tooter : Hi Sandy. Jeremy435 : I will SURELY be here next week!!!:) AFA Bard : Great to see ya Toot! Is it snowing? Elaine 100 : Sandy you beat me to it, I was going to tell Jeremy to use me as his counselor. AFC Tooter : You can a bit later, Gary. I have to go to the news bureau meeting now. AFA Bard : Friendly folks are EVERYWHERE online, Elaine. ;) SandyE : I'm sure you'd do a better job....Maybe he can bounce off all of us... GaryaW6485 : thanks AFA Bard : Gary... any way I can help? Jeremy435 : welp...gotta go...bye bye!!:) MaryEz : *fightgoeson* Elaine 100 : Sounds like a plan. AFA Bard : Nite Jeremy Jeremy435 : re's AFA Bard! SandyE : G'nite Jeremy, sleep well. AFC Tooter : Hi, Mary. I'm off to the Electronic SchoolHouse to the news bureau meeting. MaryEz : Good Night, write if you want. GaryaW6485 : I have seven classes of penpals to find responders for. My first contact didn't give me enough. SandyE : Gary, there's a Pen Pal folder in Electronic Schoolhouse...I guess you've been there? MaryEz : What newsbureau meeting? AFA Bard : OIC, Gary. E-mail AFC TOOTER with your dilemma. He can help. GaryaW6485 : afa-yes-sent several emails AFA Bard : Mary- It's another Scrapbook spinoff. Gary-- try e-mailing SHERAH1 or FFMS, they might be able to help.